so when they show in ohio that mitt romney is down by 5. they are saying it is a tied race there and when this thing in virginia where i was here yesterday giving speeches. he is probably about five ahead. >> gretchen: sorry. >> they are waiting for demo grapics. >> gretchen: other pundits say debates don't matter. it might be a one point bounce and that type of thing. how would you respond. >> we have seen obama over many, many years but not seen romney. those of us in the business and republican debates did. but the independents and democrats haven't had a chance to see the guy. all they have heard the vilification of him in negative ads it is not so much obama's performance that structured the debate. it is romney's performance. the question is why was romney so good? >> steve: excellent. congratulations on your new book mr. morris. >> thank you, we'll talk about it next week . globall governorance taking over the globe. >> steve: i hate it when that happens. >> gretchen: see you next week. >> brian: next on the run down. oh, joe, here y